citadel m1 chambered in 9mm

Raymond759 · 11-22-2011, 06:47 PM

This is the current crop:

Ray

danf_fl · 11-23-2011, 02:52 AM

Nice set!

Alabaster · 11-23-2011, 09:29 PM

Word! I've had the G34 on my list for a while now. The two pistols in the left hand row, top and 2nd down. ???

Raymond759 · 11-23-2011, 10:52 PM

Alabaster:

Both are FEG Hi-Power clones. One was a European FP9, and one is a Kassinar import marked PJK-9HP. Both have a "shotgun like" ventilated rib down the top of the slide. The top one has a lanyard loop, and I installed an extended safety lever, otherwise they are identical. Both are chambered for 9 mm para.

FMJ armory · 11-24-2011, 07:56 AM

very nice collection! which one is your prefer carry weapon?

Raymond759 · 11-24-2011, 08:30 AM

The Ruger LC9 is my summer IWB carry, in the winter, I've been using the Citadel aompact. (Although in the winter, you could practically carry an M1 tank!) I'm waiting on a commander sized IWB custom holster to carry to add additional options.

Ray

Alabaster · 11-24-2011, 10:59 AM

I thought they were FEGs or Arcus guns. I don't really have much time with either of them. What do you think of them as far as overall quality goes? I wouldn't mind getting a BHP after I get a CZ or two.

Raymond759 · 11-24-2011, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alabaster

What do you think of them as far as overall quality goes? I wouldn't mind getting a BHP after I get a CZ or two.

Well sir, you're asking someone who likes (to say it mildly) John Browning's design. For about $300 out the door, or a bit less if you wrangle, you can pick up a used BHP clone in ex condition. The bluing is excellent and compares well to the best of the Brownings.

It has some rougher machine marks inside the slide and frame, I'm told, but do not have a BHP to compare it to, side by side. I have noticed one difference, that being the grip screw holes are slightly off from the BHP and it can take a little wrangling to fit grips. I've heard that the fitting of a thumb safety takes a bit of doing, otherwise all parts from these FEGs fit the BHP and vice versa.

That out of the way, they shoot like a dream. I use these for the range, so I only feed ball ammo. There is a small "hump" in the feed ramp, that will make feeding other types a bit iffy. The "stock" magazine for these pistols hold 14 rounds, although all BHP mags fit and Mecgar mags are excellent.

Other than fitting a FEG extended thumb safety and disabled the mag safety on onepistol, there's been no changes made to these. The pistols have good combat accuracy -- better than me offhand -- I think there is much good to say about them.

The standard trigger can be "gritty" due to the magazine safety. You won't ever achieve the "glass rod breaking" 1911 trigger pull. They can be greatly improved by polishing, breaking sharp edges, and so forth. Steven Camp wrote extensively about the BHP and that is my most authoritative resource. Sadly, Mr. Camp has passed away.

Anything specific I can address?

Ray

one eye joe · 11-24-2011, 04:37 PM

Great collection, Ray.....

Alabaster · 11-24-2011, 05:43 PM

Yeah, I have no issues with a "Non-Browning" gun. Clones are just fine in my opinion. Just like 1911s. Nothing wrong with a Colt, but I've had more than a few non-C 1911s that were awesome tools, IMO. From Kimbers to Springers, even a RIA. I dig the idea as long as there is an adherence to ordnance drawings. If I can work on them and change parts like a 1911, then I'm a happy camper.

I think I first came to terms with that idea when I bought my 1st CZ clone, an EAA Witness. I knew tons of people that talked trash about them, but it was 100% reliable, and I could get parts and mod that thing until my heart was content. I'm leaning towards another one of these over a BHP right now only because of the DA/SA mechanism(Dunno why really, cause I always carried mine C&L anyways). I just found out too, that there's a CZ85(Where have I been?!) with mirror controls. There's something very attractive about that. I think it's just that it's unusual as far as handguns go, really, but I still dig it.

You mentioned a "Hump" in the feed ramp. Have you tried to rid it of that little issue? You said you fed it ball ammo, too, since it's a range gun. Have you ever tried any HPs out of it? My old man is a HUGE fan of the BHP. He swears they're the prettiest 9mm he's ever seen. He's been weary of buying a clone because he hasn't known anyone that's had one, and he's not big on the idea of dropping the coin for a Browning. I'l let him know you think well of it, though. He'll appreciate it.

11-22-2011, 06:47 PM	#1
Raymond759 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 144	Here's the pistols This is the current crop: Ray

11-23-2011, 10:52 PM	#4
Raymond759 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 144	Alabaster: Both are FEG Hi-Power clones. One was a European FP9, and one is a Kassinar import marked PJK-9HP. Both have a "shotgun like" ventilated rib down the top of the slide. The top one has a lanyard loop, and I installed an extended safety lever, otherwise they are identical. Both are chambered for 9 mm para. Last edited by Raymond759; 11-23-2011 at 10:53 PM. Reason: add info

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11-23-2011, 02:52 AM	#2
danf_fl Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Florida Posts: 131	Nice set!

11-23-2011, 09:29 PM	#3
Alabaster Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: NOVA Posts: 385	Word! I've had the G34 on my list for a while now. The two pistols in the left hand row, top and 2nd down. ???

11-24-2011, 07:56 AM	#5
FMJ armory Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 28	very nice collection! which one is your prefer carry weapon?

11-24-2011, 08:30 AM	#6
Raymond759 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 144	The Ruger LC9 is my summer IWB carry, in the winter, I've been using the Citadel aompact. (Although in the winter, you could practically carry an M1 tank!) I'm waiting on a commander sized IWB custom holster to carry to add additional options. Ray

11-24-2011, 10:59 AM	#7
Alabaster Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: NOVA Posts: 385	I thought they were FEGs or Arcus guns. I don't really have much time with either of them. What do you think of them as far as overall quality goes? I wouldn't mind getting a BHP after I get a CZ or two.

11-24-2011, 04:37 PM	#9
one eye joe Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,080	Great collection, Ray.....

11-24-2011, 05:43 PM	#10
Alabaster Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: NOVA Posts: 385	Yeah, I have no issues with a "Non-Browning" gun. Clones are just fine in my opinion. Just like 1911s. Nothing wrong with a Colt, but I've had more than a few non-C 1911s that were awesome tools, IMO. From Kimbers to Springers, even a RIA. I dig the idea as long as there is an adherence to ordnance drawings. If I can work on them and change parts like a 1911, then I'm a happy camper. I think I first came to terms with that idea when I bought my 1st CZ clone, an EAA Witness. I knew tons of people that talked trash about them, but it was 100% reliable, and I could get parts and mod that thing until my heart was content. I'm leaning towards another one of these over a BHP right now only because of the DA/SA mechanism(Dunno why really, cause I always carried mine C&L anyways). I just found out too, that there's a CZ85(Where have I been?!) with mirror controls. There's something very attractive about that. I think it's just that it's unusual as far as handguns go, really, but I still dig it. You mentioned a "Hump" in the feed ramp. Have you tried to rid it of that little issue? You said you fed it ball ammo, too, since it's a range gun. Have you ever tried any HPs out of it? My old man is a HUGE fan of the BHP. He swears they're the prettiest 9mm he's ever seen. He's been weary of buying a clone because he hasn't known anyone that's had one, and he's not big on the idea of dropping the coin for a Browning. I'l let him know you think well of it, though. He'll appreciate it.