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Old 10-27-2011, 02:44 PM   #1
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Brief History of the .22 Poofbird

As I'd mentioned in a post in the Classified's, I worked on several cartridges, the last being the 22 Poofbird. The idea was to get 2400+ fps from a revolver, while avoiding the setbacks of previous attempts. Bill mentioned one...the backing out of the .22 Jet...being a tapered case, it couldn't "stick" to the chamber wall on ignition and therefore backed out against the rear frame...the case expanded due to the backup and stuck, therefore causing the cylinder to stick because the case head was rubbing against the rear frame.

I first decided that a straight walled case was needed. Naturally, a light bullet would be called for so I tossed around the .223/.224 45 grain bullets. Next I needed a case to tinker with. The .357 was perfect because the shoulder to case wall ratio would be a close match to the Remington .222 & .223. Unfortunately, it just didn't hold enough powder. Hmmmm.....the .357 maximum would hold enough.

I next cut off several cheap dies to use in forming the brass....worked well, but the case with a 45 grain bullet was longer than an N frame cylinder....so, I trimmed the case to halfway between a standard .357 and .357 maximum, started the sizing with a .257 Roberts die and finished with a Remington .222 die (cut in half...the larger portion being the case mouth).

Now I had a case with straight walls and the perfect bullet to diameter ration (.222 Remington). For those of you who are new to reloading, the .222 Rem is WAY more accurate than the .223....why? The length of the neck....long neck = better accuracy, short neck = not as good. I played with many, many loads, but settled on 17.2 grains of H110 and as a second load, 17 grains of 296. I re-barreled the Mod. 28 S&W with a 10 inch piece of an old .222 target barrel (I think it had a 1-14 twist) welded on a shroud to hold the lock pin. Since I worked for a while in a top of the line tool and die shop, I made up a few cartridges and casts and took them to my buddy who owned the shop, and he made a chamber reamer for me..(I must say it was every bit as good a a Clymer and cost me exactly zero).

Chronograph showed 2490+ with the H110 and around 2440 with the .296.

Problem: I noticed right away that the top strap was showing signs of flash cutting...so I slotted the top strap by .030 and bedded a thin piece of titanium. It fit between the barrel and the strap and ran back 1 inch...this solved the flash cutting and didn't weaken the frame appreciably. I never bothered to check for barrel throat erosion.

The gun had one hell of a report, but was easy on the hand and while I never played for accuracy...(it was all about velocity at that point) it was pretty darned accurate with a barrel mounted Aimpoint. The name came from what happened when it connected with a crow at a hundred yards....poof, nothing but feathers! LOL! And that my friends is the story behind the .22 Poofbird. By the time I'd finished, S&W was concentrating on the semi-auto market and lost interest...as did I.

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Old 10-27-2011, 05:55 PM   #2
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Dang. That sucks. Cool story though. It seems like a similar motivation behind the 460S&W. I understand they wanted a super fast and flat shooting cartridge and had some interesting hurdles with the platform. You say it wasn't about accuracy, but velocity. It had to be pretty dang sharp to hit a bird @ 100yds, though, right? Did you happen to ever chamber a rifle in it? I mentioned the 224BOZ earlier, and that was a big want for me. A pistol and carbine BOTH chambered in it. I've always liked having a pistol and carbine in the same round.

I really like the way it got it's name!! Hilarious. Thanks a bunch for the info. I'd like to see what else you have/will come up with.
 
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Silhouette....I've used other dies formin wildcats like You mentiion with the .257 Roberts.....to form the 9x23 to .224 I use inserts or bushins in a die , I found the neck is best formed in .035 steps so I made bushins to bring the case neck down .035 at a time.....I got the most speed with Lil Gun powder, close to the burnin rate of H110 and 296 You use....interestin fix to the top strap cuttin

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@alabaster: The accuracy was pretty good, but I never fired it from a Ransom rest, but I'd estimate it would have easily shot an inch or under at 100 yds. I almost chambered a Martini 310 Rook for it, but never did. Ended up selling it to another smith.

@Bill: I was on the verge of softening some cheapo dies and grinding one into a cone, another into a partial neck and finish up with the cut off .222 Rem. die...but again...I just lost interest. I did post a picture of the sister pistol and the barrel & cylinder (along with a few of the uncut cylinders).

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Old 10-28-2011, 07:09 AM   #5
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An interesting tale of American ingenuity, Silhouette.......
 
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It was fun while it lasted Joe! LOL!
 
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A Martini? When was the last time you saw one of those!? i'd like to have a short barreled single-shot, maybe a Thompson, and a Encore pistol chambered in that Poofbird. I still can't get over the name of that thing.....
 
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It was fun while it lasted Joe! LOL!
Betcha it was, Silhouette. It sure did put a smile on my face, especially the "poof" part..........
 
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