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Old 03-09-2002, 08:19 PM   #1
 
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Today I went to the range with a Ballistic Specialties tuned SA 9mm IDPA poodle shooter, a Garthwaite tuned Baer P2, a Marvel 22 unit on a Action Works tuned 70 series frame, and a Jim Boland Space Gun (just for fun :smile:

After shooting several hundred rounds of misc ammo with each, and nice tight groups and zero malfunctions I began to watch the shooters around me.

One gentleman had a Glock and Beretta Vertec 92. The Glock was very ammo sensitive and had light hits on most brands of ammo. It had multiple FTF's with Federal ammo (gasp).

The nice fellow then started touting his Vertec Beretta. Since I had loaned him some test ammo (for his recalcitrant Glock) he let me fire it. It shot 6" low at 20 yards.
Yuck.

Then the guy to my right was fighting with the rough action an a S&W Performance center .45 ACP. OOF it must have been 15 pounds DA. His SW M-24 had incorrect cylinder gap and would lock up every 20 rounds or so. I referred him to George Wessinger, APG member from SC to fix it ASAP.

It is nice knowing these custom pistols that the craftsmen sweat over are worth it.
Mine are. They are trouble free and fun too shoot. After shooting my guns, the Glock guy was scratching his head.

He was hooked!
 
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Old 03-09-2002, 08:45 PM   #2
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Very insightful commentary. I agree completely. There seems to be a group of people out there that feel like it is a mistake to have a gun "that shoots better than (I) they do". For me, I like to focus my range time on improving my skills and getting satisfaction from seeing that happen, or challenging myself to get it right the next time, or just having fun.
I have a hard time doing any of these when I have an unreliable pistol or a spray and pray gun.

This is addition to the confidence that a well-operating pistol provides in the hands of a well-practiced operator in a defensive situation.
 
Old 03-09-2002, 09:49 PM   #3
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It is a simple fact of life that better equipment will produce better results, all else being equal. It doesn't take a huge outlay of dollars, but it does take the sense to get the best equipment you can.

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Old 03-09-2002, 09:58 PM   #4
 
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As an old guy that has done a lot of stuff.......I've learned one fact.........use the best stuff you can. Also this holds true in most anything ,house,car,etc,etc.......if you're going to do it do it right.......certianly with guns......big difference between a 400 glock and a 1000 dollar 1911........words of wisdom from someone who's been there!!!!
 
Old 03-10-2002, 09:01 AM   #5
 
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Geez, I must have missed something; JOY OF OWING CUSTOM, its more like bragging rights to own one. In my herd there are pistols from Wilson, Baer, and others; they are all nice pistols. Flawless not hardly, overpriced oh yeah.

As far as custom 1911s go, my minimalist GSP 2000 built by Ted Yost on a SA frame/slide/barrel has run over 15K rounds through it with minimal problems. Somewhere around 10K the extractor broke and there have been ammunition(reloads) failures-flawless with factory. A fullhouse Gunsite Marksman on Caaspian frame/slide/Kart barrel, that I had ran over 5K rounds with only a handful failures to feed/fire etc--all related to reloads of questionable heritage. The only other "custom" 1911 that has performed to that level is a Novak built Norinco again a minimalist no frills piece.

Out of the box, my 40USP has been flawless since it was purchased the first year the USP was available. The SW99 I have has also been a running champ. Both pistols far outperform--read reliable, most high dollar custom 1911s. They are not pretty, no trick finishes, no custom mag wells, just night sights; they go bang and hit what they are aimed at everytime the trigger is pulled.

That is what is important if you are going to depend on the pistol. Would I stake my life on the Les Baer in my vault no. Of the 1911s in the stable the GSP, Novak and out of the box Kimber HDII are the only 1911s I trust my well being to. The USP and SW99 are regular companions for the same reason.

FWIW, in the numerous years that I carried a firearm into harms way for the Uncle; super-tuned 1911s were not a choice/option. Our choice was a GI spec 1911 with good sights, beavertail, an improved thumbsafety, new barrel since many of the Army supply is Korea or Vietnam vintage and they had seen better days. Now the Beretta serves well.

Its funny in my travels the only "custom" blasters I have encountered in working holsters are those of the FBI HRT and its regional SWAT units. For the most part from the performance that I have seen out these ninjas on the range a Stock Glock/USP/Sig would have served them just as well.
 
Old 03-10-2002, 01:01 PM   #6
 
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On 2002-03-10 02:11, HKCowboy wrote:
Try shooting a reliable, out-of-the-box $500.00 stock (what an oxymoron) 1911 and tell me about it.
Well, the HK isn't 500$ either, but I've had 4 Colts (Enhanced Commander, Defender, pre70 LW Com, Government) and 1 Springfield (Ultra Compact)which were totally reliable out of the box. The only gun I had that malfunctioned was a SIG.
No need to knock other's guns to prove a point. I've often found the "well, you used to purchase a 1911 expecting to need X amount of work" to be a myth. Bullets have improved and I think people bought the gun expecting to tinker with it to customize it to their needs, not fix some flaw.
 
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Jeez, get a grip people. I didn't know liking nice guns made somebody an a-hole and was a cause for demanding satisfaction. :roll:

Guns are like [edited by me to remove vulgar joke] shoes: use whatever fits. :grin:

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Old 03-10-2002, 02:42 PM   #8
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On 2002-03-10 13:01, VoceNoctum wrote:
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On 2002-03-10 02:11, HKCowboy wrote:
Try shooting a reliable, out-of-the-box $500.00 stock (what an oxymoron) 1911 and tell me about it.
Well, the HK isn't 500$ either, but I've had 4 Colts (Enhanced Commander, Defender, pre70 LW Com, Government) and 1 Springfield (Ultra Compact)which were totally reliable out of the box. The only gun I had that malfunctioned was a SIG.
No need to knock other's guns to prove a point. I've often found the "well, you used to purchase a 1911 expecting to need X amount of work" to be a myth. Bullets have improved and I think people bought the gun expecting to tinker with it to customize it to their needs, not fix some flaw.
[/quote:2iicd9vr] I guess you only follow the trends of 1911's price and 1911 in general. An NIB Glock is $475.00 out of the box and an HK 9/40 full size can be had right around $500. Check out the other forums once in a while. There are other guns out there. And if you pay more than that, you've been had!!
 
Old 03-10-2002, 03:24 PM   #9
 
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HKCOWBOY.

This is a custom gun forum.
I was just reporting my day at the range.

You can make any assumption you want about me, my attitude or whatever else strikes your fancy.

The custom 1911 in the right hands is the finest close quarters combat pistol ever devised.


Everything else is second best.
(soapbox mode off)

My point was that these very nice fellows and good shooters were hampered by stock, malfunctioning pistols that are often touted as "state of the art". Their shooting was dramatically affected by that. Their concentration was affected by that. For one gentleman, it ruined his weekend!

Which gun would you load up and carry home from the range? The Glock that jams on ball, the Beretta that shoots 6" low, or the Smith Revolver that binds every handful of shots???

I have yet to see a production or semi-custom (or custom for that matter)pistol that could not be improved in some way "for me" whether that improvement was ergonomically or mechanically.

It is always remarkable to me when someone registers on a forum for the first time to make a negative post regarding something he/she apparently knows very little about.

I wasn't bragging about my skills or checkbook balance, I was bragging on the fine gunsmiths who built my guns. It was a reminder why I work extra hours to pay for this "stuff". It works when I need it. Plain and simple.

When I went to GLOCK armorers school we fixed many a broken GLOCK. Perfection they aint. Ingenious, yes. Perfection, bullshit!

By the way, if you are going to post for the sole reason to be a prick, you might as well be a man and use your real name. :smile:

Abnranger, no one said the 1911 was flawless, or that "Custom" 1911's are flawless. I admit, my standards are probably a bit higher than most. Unlike you, I won't settle for a 1911 that doesnt work every time. They are not that hard to fix.. sounds like you may need to find a better gunsmith??

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Old 03-10-2002, 03:45 PM   #10
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Mr. Lombardo, funny how many LEOs use your "fine" weapons for duty. Your custom 1911 are good for "game/pretend" shooting. How many LEOs/military personnel do you know who carry such "fine" weapons when they are on duty? How many state troopers in this fine country carry your "fine" weapons? EXACTLY MY POINT!!
 
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