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Old 07-28-2011, 05:28 PM   #11
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My grandfather owned one. Loved it. Reliable and accurate far beyond what it's price would suggest.

It is though, the only revolver(Brand) I know of that I have seen at least 5 people that have said they had reliability problems. That's a strong selling point for revos, IMO. If it has reliability problems, obviously it's a pass. Even though I've heard through the grapevine of Taurus problems, I personally have not had a friend, family member, or customer that has had a problem with one. I can't say that about Charter Arms, and I've known literally a fraction as many owners of this brand. GunTest magazine had an article on a comparo of an S&W, a Charter, and an SP101(I think). The Charter they tested malfunctioned in DA as often as not! Unreal. I'm considering buying one myself, to be honest. Though I've been debating it for at least a year now, and still cant make myself do it. I may just keep it in the "Maybe one Day" file.
 
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Old 07-28-2011, 09:27 PM   #12
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Have had several preCharco.

Charter Arms, later Charco, then Charter 2000, and now back to Charter Arms.

Quality varied although I never had a seriously bad one. The better ones seemed to be in the 500k serial range and before.

Wish I'd kept my first one; will keep the second. Carried it for a lot of years. Replaced it with a S&W J stainless.

If you want a DA pull like a S&W, Ruger or Rossi are probably better candidates than Taurus. Quality varies also in Rossis. Although I'm not too happy w/Ruger for other issues.

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Old 07-29-2011, 06:40 AM   #13
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If you want a DA pull like a S&W, Ruger or Rossi are probably better candidates than Taurus. Quality varies also in Rossis.
I don't know about Ruger or Rossi, but you'll NEVER get a DA trigger as nice as a S&W outta a Taurus. I've spent alotta time and money trying. For some reason, I was thinking that Rossi was a subsidiary of Taurus. Is that true ? ?
 
 
Old 07-29-2011, 12:03 PM   #14
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I've been into the lockwork of a few Taurus revolvers.

Underwhelming is the word, I think. The sideplates just fall out of the frames once the screws are removed.

I especially don't care for the little rack and pinion-esque hammer block mechanism. Get it one tooth off...or if that little-bitty gear jumps a tooth...and the whole gun locks up solid.

Which reminds me...That's precisely why I had to open up two of'em.

Nary a Rossi to my credit. Not many people buy'em around here.
 
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I've been into the lockwork of a few Taurus revolvers.

Underwhelming is the word, I think. The sideplates just fall out of the frames once the screws are removed.

I especially don't care for the little rack and pinion-esque hammer block mechanism. Get it one tooth off...or if that little-bitty gear jumps a tooth...and the whole gun locks up solid.

Which reminds me...That's precisely why I had to open up two of'em.

Nary a Rossi to my credit. Not many people buy'em around here.
LMFAO, Johnny---"underwhelming is the word". TOOOO funny. It amazes me that the Kool-Aide drinkers still tout the junk. When you're used to shooting fine Colts and S&Ws, it's hard to like a Taurus. They are inexpensive for a reason. NOT a good reason, either........
 
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Taurus did make a revolver that caught my interest, despite their revolvers not exactly being high on my must have list.

The K-frame-sized 5-shot .44 Special models with fixed sights could have found a way into my sock drawer if they'd made a round butt 3-inch model. (Note that they may have, and I just missed it for lack of keen interest.)

Of course, it would have been fired only enough to verify function and lightly to refamiliarize myself with it...but such a beast would be tempting. After a lot of thought, I considered that maybe there a reason that Smith & Wesson wasn't too quick to counter with a K-Frame .44 Special 5-shooter of their own...so I put it out of my mind.
 
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I acknowledge the quality of S&W and ESPECIALLY Colt revos. Colt makes my 2 favorite wheelguns, and I would choose one of them over almost any other revolver.

As far as Taurus, I HEAR plenty stories, but that's here online. I know of very few actual incidents with them. Same for Rossi. I've only known 2 people that owned them(Rossis), and both people have/had good experiences with em. I did see a Rossi blown wide open at class last weekend. Apparently from a hot handload, top strap blown, literally. I do believe they are sister companies, but I'm not positive.

The OP said Taurus is out, regardless. I assume Rossi would be too then. I'm not trying to sway anyone, just sharing experiences, or lack thereof.
 
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I don't know about Ruger or Rossi, but you'll NEVER get a DA trigger as nice as a S&W outta a Taurus. I've spent alotta time and money trying. For some reason, I was thinking that Rossi was a subsidiary of Taurus. Is that true ? ?
DA Rossi actions are quite similar to S&W J frames. Quality varies. If you have one where the parts and fit are decent to begin with, you should be able to get a DA trigger pull like a J frame.

DA Rugers can never have DA pulls quite as good as a Smith, but they are good generally and worth smoothing.

Taurus bought Rossi IIRC in '96 or '97. The fit and finish on Rossis did improve but not necessarily to S&W standards.

Even if the parts and fit were decent to begin with, by design I don't think Charter DA pulls can be as good as a Smith. The 55 degree hammer fall (faster lock time) and the trigger return spring design seem to negate the possiblity. I do wonder if a DA only Charter (decent parts and fit to begin with) might offer the possiblity of a much better pull if the overtravel can be eliminated.

If the parts and fit were decent to begin with, I believe the Taurus design could be smithed into a fair DA pull. The preceding notes from JohnnyT and one eye joe are sadly correct however.

A person can get a decent Charter, Rossi, or Taurus, but the chances of getting one not so good are appreciably greater than with S&W or Ruger.

A matter of opinion as to what constitutes "decent" and what is legitimately decent to folks who don't shoot much is going to be of a lower standard than that for most of us on this board.

Here are some extreme examples of that:
Do you need a trigger job? | Revolvers, Gunsmithing | GrantCunningham.com

I and all, or most, of you have refined tastes. We put in the time shooting, studying, dry firing, refining, and otherwise improving our guns, and ourselves in the process.

So other people aren't interested in doing that. As long as they conduct themselves in a truly responsible manner, it doesn't matter if they want inexpensive or even cheap guns. As long a given individual gun is mechanically safe and reliable, it's fine for them.

Overall, dfariswheel is right about Charters; JohnnyT and one eye joe right about Tauri. I generally only want a Smith in DA revolvers, but appreciate having the option of buying the others, especially since they sometimes make interesting models unlike what S&W offers.

Now would darcy whone please be kind enough to tell me how to identify the guns made post Sept.?

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Old 07-30-2011, 04:18 AM   #19
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Very informative post, Dave. Thanks for the great link.........
 
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I carried a CA .44 3" barrel as a backup and an off duty gun back in the 80's.
There was nothing bad about it. Reliable, strong and dependable. I still kick myself for trading it away. I have heard nothing but negative comments about Charters quality lately so I guess you pay your money and take your chances. YMMV.
 
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