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Old 09-16-2004, 11:34 AM   #1
 
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Springfield M1A vs. Armalite AR-10

Been thinking about purchasing a .308 semi-auto for a while. Can't decide between these two. Any comments?
 
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Old 09-17-2004, 06:57 AM   #2
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Do a little (ok ALOT of) reading at http://www.battlerifles.com/. You'll find a bunch of info about both rifles there.

My preference is the M1A because it's based on the garand and I like the look and feel over the AR type.
 
Old 09-17-2004, 07:51 AM   #3
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Re: Springfield M1A vs. Armalite AR-10

An interesting question.

I own a Springfield M1A and it's a fine rifle. I also spent the better part of a decade playing with M-16's while employed as a "professional camper" by Uncle Sugar.

In my experience, the AR has much better ergonomics than the M1A. I find the evil, protruding pistol grip stock much handier than the traditional thumb-over-the-top stock. I also like the the straight-in insertion of the magazine as opposed to the stick-in-the-nose-and-then-rotate-to-the-rear method of the M1A.

I also prefer the take down method of disassembling an AR. The AR's accuracy is not hurt by repeated field stripping but I've heard that an M1A should not be field stripped unless absolutely necessary because it loosens up the metal to wood contact surfaces which leads to bigger groups down range. An M1A barrel must be cleaned from the muzzle end while an AR barrel can be cleaned from the chamber end.

On the other hand, an M1A makes a fine club if you're out of ammo but an AR is pretty useless.

A friend of mine has a very nice Armalite AR-10 with all the bells and whistles. He had a devil of a time trying to get the magazines, which are quite expensive, to work. This has been the rap against Armalite's AR-10 since the beginning.

I cannot recommend the Armalite for this reason. However, I can recommend the Bushmaster version of the AR-10. Same look and feel but the Bushmaster uses inexpensive FAL magazines.

If I were looking for another .308 battle rifle, I'd be hard pressed to choose between the Bushmaster or a DSA FAL.

I like .308 over .223 and if I had to go over the hill tomorrow my M1A would be with me. It's not as easy to carry as the Mattel rifle but it hits with distinct authority.
 
 
Old 09-17-2004, 09:40 AM   #4
 
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Re: Springfield M1A vs. Armalite AR-10

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Originally Posted by Steve in Allentown, PA
An interesting question.


On the other hand, an M1A makes a fine club if you're out of ammo but an AR is pretty useless.
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Old 09-17-2004, 09:41 AM   #5
 
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Why wouldn't the magazines work?
 
Old 09-17-2004, 05:47 PM   #6
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Why wouldn't the magazines work?
Apparently the folks who engineered the mags didn't do all that great of a job with the feed lips. Of course, feed lip geometry is the gremlin behind a great many semi-auto failures-to-feed in both pistols and rifles.

As I recall, he went round and round with Armalite, his favorite gunsmith, and tinkering with the things himself before he could get them to work.

It's too bad. I like the Armalite company and owned one of their original AR-180's which was a fine little rifle. I'll have to go check out their website again but I think the AR-10 mags were running somewhere around $75 a piece.

The think is you can buy FAL mags for less than $10 a piece. I'd check with Bushmaster to see exactly how the FAL mags are inserted into theri version of the AR-10. If they're a straight-in push rather than a nose-in and then rotate action, I'd jump on the Bushmaster. Just my opinion.
 
Old 11-02-2005, 10:14 PM   #7
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Base dont he design of a AR receiver, I odn;t see how you vcan nose in a magazine, it is a straight shot.

I also think ASA uses FAL mags as well. If I remember the scuttle with ASA, the founder worked for/with Armalite, then started his own company, anyone hve any more info on this? I have worked with their stuff, quality seemed to be there. Onle issue is they stopped selling the .308 parts.

Another thing about the .308 AR's, it seems NONE of the companies making them have interchangeable parts. They are all of propietary desing it seems, kind of pointless if you want to build your own.

I had my hands on some of the first DPMS 308's to hit the market and I think they are by far the most sturdy tight fitting of any made, GOOD stuff. Only problem is that at the time they only had the plasitic mags available which were crap. I see they have since come out with a metal mag, but I have not had any experience with it.

My $.02
 
Old 09-19-2006, 06:16 PM   #8
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Just a note because I didn't see it mentioned. Bushmaster is no longer producing any rifles in .308 caliber. They weren't selling and they decided to discontinue them to enhance production on their Carbon 15 line of rifles and pistols which are selling like hotcakes. You can't make what won't sell. Bill T.
 
Old 09-21-2006, 07:13 PM   #9
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In the time since this thread started I've gained a little more experience that may be worth passing along to others who may be wanting to get a .308 battle rifle.

Other options out there besides the M1A are FAL's, DPMS AR's in .308, the soon to be offered Rock River Arms AR's in .308, and Saiga .308's.

All of these except the Saiga retail between $1,000 and $1,600. The Saiga retails for around $325-$400.

For those who are unfamiliar with the Saiga it is a "civilianized" AK. With a little effort it can easily and legally be converted back into its AK configuration. Do a Google search on "Saiga forum" and you can read all about it.

I'm quite impressed with the Saiga .308. It is as accurate as any base model of the more expensive rifles listed and it is completely reliable with any and all .308 ammo including the green laquer coated Wolf stuff. The down side is it's not as ergonomic as the higher priced rifles but the mag release can be easily modifed to allow your trigger finger to drop the mag without having to release the pistol grip and the safety can be replaced by one that can be actuated with your firing hand's thumb.

I love my FAL. My M1A is a favorite. The Saiga is awesome. Which one would I grab if I had to go over the hill in a hurry? Now I'm thinking the Saiga would get the nod. How can you argue with AK reliability?
 
Old 11-21-2006, 10:22 AM   #10
 
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a russian company makes another ak based semi-auto, called the VEPR II
robinson armament imports 'em. only 10 and five round mag available, but it seems to a be a step up from the saiga while being cheaper than a premium battle rifle. they claims its the most acuurate ak variant... for what thats worth

http://www.robarm.com/
 
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