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Old 06-30-2004, 09:13 AM   #1
 
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New PPK/S broken - trigger bar jumps out of frame?

I'm new here, and hope some of you seasoned Walther fans can help me understand what went wrong with my new gun.

I bought a new stainless PPK/S, and from the moment I got this gun it was doomed. It arrived with no rear sight. The manager from the shop took one off another new gun and drifted it into the slide. 100 rounds into my first session at the range, the trigger would not return, and was then inoperable.

It was sent back to the factory for warranty repair. The manager said the trigger bar jumps out of the frame, and that the factory could remedy this.

Could someone please explain what this means? I didn't even have it for 24 hours, so I never had a chance to stop by and have the mgr. show me what he meant by this.

I paid top dollar for this gun, and want to understand what it means when the "trigger bar" jumps out of the frame. Any ideas?
 
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Old 06-30-2004, 11:01 AM   #2
 
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Why didn't the shop manager give you a different PPK/s after he saw the "new" gun was incomplete? If the factory can fix it, great. But I would put a little heat on the shop manager (my opinion only).

I have two PPK/s and not one problem with either. I never heard of such a thing from a new gun.

Good luck
 
Old 06-30-2004, 11:02 AM   #3
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It means the gun has a SERIOUS defect.

The trigger bar is a bar-like lever that connects the trigger to the rotating sear at the back of the frame.

When the trigger is pulled, the lever moves the sear up to either cock and drop the hammer, or to just drop it in single action.

The bar is interlocked into the frame with a shelf on the bar interlocking with a groove in the frame.

These are difficult to disassemble when you want to. If you've got one disassembling it'self, its really defective.

It should be returned to you fixed, but shoot at least 200 rounds through it, before trusting it..
 
 
Old 06-30-2004, 11:17 AM   #4
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DanFriemoth
Why didn't the shop manager give you a different PPK/s after he saw the "new" gun was incomplete?
After waiting 1 1/2 weeks to get it, when it was missing the sight, I was too excited to wait again for another one!

Quote:
Originally Posted by DanFriemoth
...But I would put a little heat on the shop manager (my opinion only...
My intentions exactly! At the time, I felt inadequetly prepared to make an argument for myself. How would you approach it?

Thanks for the reply.
 
Old 06-30-2004, 11:25 AM   #5
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dfariswheel
It means the gun has a SERIOUS defect...These are difficult to disassemble when you want to. If you've got one disassembling it'self, its really defective.

It should be returned to you fixed, but shoot at least 200 rounds through it, before trusting it..
I feel so cheated! I wish there was a lemon law for firearms.

So is it even a possibility that it could be repaired as good as new? Or will it always be suspect to a similar faliure?

Thanks for the detailed explanation. I feel much more prepared to discuss my options with the store manager.
 
Old 06-30-2004, 07:45 PM   #6
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I would think the factory will put into 100% CORRECT new condition.

However, your dealer should at minimum pay for the shipping.
While it's not his fault the gun had problems from the factory, alarm bells and lights should have started flashing when he opened the box and found a factory-new gun with no rear sight.

Don't expect the dealer to eat something not his fault, but he should chip in on the cost to set it right.

When you get the gun back, buy 200 rounds of inexpensive ammo and shoot it up as quickly as possible. If it shows any more problems, contact the factory direct, and demand an exchange for a new gun.
 
Old 07-01-2004, 04:16 AM   #7
 
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I would ask to have the gun that the removed the rear sight from before he removed it.
I also agree that you should give the gun a work out. Good luck!
 
Old 07-01-2004, 07:42 AM   #8
 
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Thanks for the help guys. I feel a lot better about what's going on now. Things sure changed when I e-mailed the manager a link to this thread! He became really cooperative and told me I could have free range time time with any rental gun until the broken PPK/S returns from the factory. The factory said it should take about 2 weeks, so I'll post an update when it gets back.
 
Old 08-13-2004, 03:26 PM   #9
 
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I got it back from Smith and Wesson, they replaced the trigger bar. I ran through 500 rounds downrange (FMJ and JHP) in one session with no malfunctions, so I guess it's reliable.

Thanks to everyone for the help. I'm not going to be shooting it anymore since I really bought it just to own it, not as a shooter.

:P
 
Old 08-14-2004, 11:52 PM   #10
 
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Thanks for the follow up
 
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