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Old 03-03-2012, 04:40 PM   #21
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Good to know about Taylor.

Like I said before I would just shoot it as is. Really would not expect a casehead blowout. Even if there was one, I don't think there is enough gas and pressure to cause any major damage. Could inlet steel inserts under the grips if you're worried.
 
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Old 03-04-2012, 03:03 AM   #22
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If you will allow my 2 cents.
Isn't that a target pistol? The 76 I had (if I recall correctly) worked great with target loads.

Some user manuals make a recommendation of what can and cannot be used. My PPK/s in .22 recommends HV only. Even some ammo manufacturers have warnings on which firearms should not use their ammo (Stingers specifically).
 
Old 03-04-2012, 05:16 AM   #23
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I have a number of reprint Beretta manuals for the 76....none say anything about the use SV or HV rounds. Just "22 LR caliber" rounds.

As I said, the case is obviously unsupported at 6 o'clock by virtue of the basic feed ramp design that Beretta uses. This feed ramp design is used throughout the 70-series pistols, even the 70S pocket pistol which is not a "target" gun.... like the 76 can be viewed as being.

So...as much as what you say makes sense, in that the 76 is a mid-level "target" gun ( and yes....shows less/no bulges with SV rounds)....if you dig deeper into the question it is still not excusable in my mind that it's happening. Bothers me too that it surfaces for me now.... decades after the gun is out of print. And more so that my newly acquired, mint 70S does the same thing.

I really don't think we can go further....I either limit my rounds to SV...or try to reline the barrel/chamber. In the meantime, I'd like to get more feedback from other series-70 owners. Friend "Vins_CB" ( from Milan, Italy on Beretta forum) now says his 76 does this too. Was in his family since new for 30 yrs and never noticed this before.

As to how it "works" ( you saying that you recall your 76 working well as a target gun)...for sure this gun (and the 70S) is very accurate and 100% reliable with any rounds I feed it. Thank goodness for that.

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Old 03-27-2012, 04:45 AM   #24
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Who is policing this board? ....get "Yigeman" outta here. Just to see for myself, I've now checked ALL the posts made by this person, and they are ALL spam---> http://pistolsmith.com/search.php?searchid=7152

Why not just remove him/her from membership?
 
Old 03-27-2012, 09:02 PM   #25
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Whoever sees one first needs to hit the red/white triangle in the lower left corner of a post and report spammer or whatever. This sends a hi pri red flag to the admin.

I've done that for yigeman although one eye joe may have beat me to it.

Admin usually responds PDQ and eliminates the offender.
 
Old 10-01-2012, 10:28 AM   #26
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Update:

Well guys... it's been some time since I last posted on this case bulging problem. Come to find out it is a characteristric of the "70-series" Berettas for quite a few guns. Odd thing is, not all do this....but from world-wide responses on various Beretta forums, not all that unusual too. I think we can close out this thread.

I deeply appreciate all responses from this group.... great bunch of guys here....
 
Old 10-01-2012, 08:01 PM   #27
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Thanks for the update.
 
Old 05-11-2013, 06:30 PM   #28
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No bulging on the last version made, the 102

Just thought I'd add my 2 cents way after the fact, I've had my model 102 (made in 1969) since I bought it almost unused in 1972 at a LGS a friend owned. The 102 was the last version of this Beretta 22LR mid-market Target pistol and ran in production until it was also dropped in the early 80's. I've shot medium level National Match with it for 1/2 a decade and then stepped up to a High Standard Supermatic Military Trophy (the best) with all the accessory goodies.
I'm also a retired Cop/Detective and Dept Armorer/Gunsmith.

Now I use the 102 in "Run n Gun" 22LR class, along with a heavily modified (tactical stock, etc) Ruger 10/22. The 102 packs a laser pointer for day and night shooting competition.

First I'd like to report that my 102 does NOT cause any case bulge at all with SV or "higher" velocity loads like the Wildcat. I don't use Stingers in any 22LR pistol. Since I've never seen or worked on any of the 101 or 76 versions, I can't attest to whether they bulged the case. So, it may be a symptom of the 76 series and using modern HV loads. But get the point, this was made as a TARGET pistol, why would you use less accurate HV loads it was not designed for in the 60's??

Second, at least the 102 was and is a Fine NM style target pistol as far as it's innate accuracy capabilities. It's great problem was that it was too light. I solved that by filling the hollow heal of the grips with lead and adding removable weights under the barrel, just as you do with the High Standard Mil Trophy. I could easily pace anyone with a S&W 41 that had been "worked over" for improvements.

Lastly, I think you are way out of line thinking that Beretta should do something or another about your problem just because you bought it Now, for a pistol (the 76) that hasn't been made since the 1960's. Considering in the 1960's 85% of 22LR ammo that was around was ONLY Standard Velocity!! In the 60's and 70's, even the claims of any HV 22's was laughable. Do you think GM should run around fixing all the 60's Camero's that are around in collections and still being driven on Unleaded Only Gas?? Or Ford for 64 Mustangs?? Sheesh ... Please, Give me a break!




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Old 05-11-2013, 07:02 PM   #29
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Cobrajockey says....

"Lastly, I think you are way out of line thinking that Beretta should do something or another about your problem just because you bought it Now, for a pistol (the 76) that hasn't been made since the 1960's. Considering in the 1960's 85% of 22LR ammo that was around was ONLY Standard Velocity!! In the 60's and 70's, even the claims of any HV 22's was laughable. Do you think GM should run around fixing all the 60's Camero's that are around in collections and still being driven on Unleaded Only Gas?? Or Ford for 64 Mustangs?? Sheesh ... Please, Give me a break! .."

Ahhh.....just WHERE do you get this idea? I'm only trying to figure out if my gun is unique in this regard or not. Seems after some digging that it is not all that unusual as the much newer 70S I bought ( nearly new condition)...also shows bulged cases. Basically asking if it's a defect or not, but it surely would be nice NOT to have this problem.

As to your point about my expectation for the factory or others to fix this...I never say this. As a matter of fact if you go back to my post #5.... I say this instead--->

" The model 76 is long out of print and Beretta is totally at arms length. Look at the Beretta-USA website and you can see they even farmed out the parts business to Brownells and others.

Forget-about-it....a nonstarter.......gun is too old for them to care...."
So where do you get this idea? ( besides Mr Motorhead.....it's "Camaro" )

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Old 05-12-2013, 11:12 PM   #30
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Pardon me Mr. Perfect, .... Camaro. (never had one, so I give a rats *** about the spelling)

I think everyone on the thread that chimed in had you pegged through out, complaining about nothing and that your pistols were DESIGNED for LV 22LR since today's flavors of real HV lead never existed in 1960 - 70, which went thoroughly over your head. Not surprised though.

Never the less, your tone through-out clearly had you complaining about Beretta's mfg technique and how cold they do this, when there is nothing wrong with Beretta's, including the 101, 76 and 102's go for today 40+ years later for 4 to 5x their original price in the 50's and 60's. Like the boys in the Beretta forums told you, if it functions with the APPROPRIATE flavor of ammo it was designed around in 1960, then just shoot it and stop whining. OK, Mr. Butthead??
 
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